Dead Battery


I received the call from my elder daughter a couple weeks ago on a Monday afternoon. She had gone out to the student parking lot, a long affair involving a 30 minute bus ride and a 5 minute walk, to get her car and go with her roommate out to some store for something or other. She couldn't get into her car using the key fob.

I knew what was likely coming but I walked her through removing the built in key inside the fob and getting the door open. She tried to start the car but nothing happened. No noises, no nothing. I told her that I was sorry but her battery was completely dead and that she wasn't going to be able to use the car that day nor could I help her fix it over the phone. They ended up calling an Uber and continuing on their way. Amazing what modern technology does. In my day without cellphones, the only option would have been to walk back to the bus stop for the long wait for the next bus and the long ride back to where I came.

I had replaced the battery before my daughter even went to college and had it go completely dead soon after while still at home. I diagnosed that one as a bad battery as it developed a bulge on one side, the first ever such diagnosis in all my life. I was reimbursed with a new battery and that lasted all of a year. Sometime last summer I had to move the car for some reason or other and then it sat for a couple weeks. When my daughter went to use it, the battery was dead. Had I left something on? I can't say. I tried to recondition the battery with my chargers which have that function and indeed it started up several times without issue before she left for college this fall. But in the 2-1/2 months it had been sitting unused in the parking lot since, it went completely dead again.

I bought a new battery a few days after the call and drove up to her college and swapped out the batteries. The car started right up. I tested the alternator which showed that it was indeed functioning but the voltage was on the low side of voltages which I had googled online beforehand. I fought the mental battle again. My running the battery down had been hard on it and likely the culprit for the dead battery but perhaps there was something else wrong? Perhaps I had shut everything off as I feel I had but there is a drain on the battery somehow?

Being that I live a 2 hour drive away and winter is approaching when one a dependable car can be life or death, I bit the bullet and got it shuttled to the car dealership in town to look at it. The convinced me that they could do a deeper test of the alternator than I could with my volt meter and check for anything draining the battery. That was a Friday afternoon. On Monday they sent me a video of them checking the alternator with a simple voltmeter attached showing that it worked. They later wrote they could find nothing draining the battery but recommended that they removed the factor remote start option, which we have never used, just to be sure but it would cost $300 more than the $200 in labor I already owe them for doing the "deep" test of the alternator. What crooks!

I told them to leave the remote starter in place, paid the $200 for the supposed tests and had my daughter use their complementary shuttle service to get a ride there to retrieve her car.

I wish they had found something wrong. Now I must continue wondering once more was it me or is there something else wrong with the car with the third battery in 2 years in it. The only redeeming thing in this scenario is that the cost of a new battery is less than the cost of them doing a "deep" test of the alternator so if it happens again, I know which route I'm going to go initially and it certainly won't be another trip to the dealership for testing.

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  1. My battery is 5 years old. I have a note on my calendar to get them to test it when I have them change to the winter tires. It seems like a needless expense, but it is better than being caught in winter, I think.

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    1. I here you. With my own battery, I'm willing to push things a bit but with her, I would rather change it and be reassured.

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  2. When I first started reading this I thought you were going to say that she was trying to open the wrong car. Mystery electrical drains are so frustrating, let's hope it is not that and it was a one and done and is now fixed.

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  3. Glad you're able to help your daughter. Batteries seem to have shorter lifespans these days. The battery in the truck I drove toward the end of my time in Utah and Michigan lasted for 11 years... But lately, it seems as if I am always changing batteries and I now wonder what will happen as all our cars "die" at stoplights to save gas, then come back on. Without a good battery, I wonder if that'll be a problem down the road.

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    1. Now, five or six years seems like a good life for a battery. With modern hybrids, things change quite a bit as they don't have starters or alternators anymore. The battery just has to spin a small generator which I'm assuming takes less umph than a traditional batteries needed.

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  4. Get a lithium jumper box and show her how to use it. Keep the jump box where you can get to it, like under the drivers seat. That's where I put ours after I could NOT open the rear hatch because the battery was dead dead dead...
    Some modern cars will suck a battery dry (it's not a Subaru is it?). Have your daughter take a short drive every weeks (or so) or try a dashboard solar battery maintainer.

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    1. Those are some great ideas and I thank you for noting them. It is a Toyota Rav4 so not a Subaru. The only thing I can see that is left on is a dashboard clock. Besides one of those, I have also been thinking about installing a battery disconnect that she can manually turn if there turns out to be some sort of parasitic drain going on.

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  5. I had the same issue with my daughter's car at college. It was a sticky relay that allowed a small drain on the battery when the car was shut off. You wouldn't notice this if you were regularly driving the car. To test this you can remove the ground from the battery and hook a voltmeter in series between the negative terminal and ground. (I usually have issues figuring out how to check amperage but I suppose there is a YouTube on it.) If there is current flow you could install a battery disconnect switch at the battery. If she is like my daughter she will not use the disconnect switch but it will make you feel like you did something.
    Then buy her a Triple A membership for Christmas...

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    1. I hadn't yet read your comment when I commented to the previous one above, but we are thinking the same thing. She does have an AAA membership and I did mention about calling it but she didn't want to stick around for them to replace it. Since she was coming home the same weekend anyway, I just used the opportunity to replace the battery and then drive her home and bond a bit while the dealership were doing their thing.

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  6. For the busy college students in our family, we've told them to mark on their calendars to go out and start and run their cars twice a month to keep the car happy. Worked most of the time. Glad the bulging side of the replaced battery didn't cause a leak or fire. Haven't had that happen either. Scary. Linda in Kansas

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    1. With the holidays fast approaching, it should get started a bit more often so hopefully it isn't an issue. But I plan on telling her to use it more often next semester. After that, she is moving to an apartment with parking so I'm sure it will be used more frequently then.

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  7. John and you need to get together to discuss battery issues and the crooks at the car dealerships. You two are in complete agreement. With his new battery and yours, neither one of you should have any issues. But will you??

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    1. I didn't write about it but the service guy repeatedly asked me why I didn't put a "Toyota" battery in it and shook his head in mock disgust when I told him I had installed a Duralast.

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  8. How old is the car? In my experience, since manufacturers have gone over to making what are tablets on wheels, it is much more difficult to actually turn off every potential drain on the battery. Certainly, compared to 10+ years older cars, the batteries now seem to drain much faster if the car is left sitting for a week or two.

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    1. It is a 2015 RAV4 and I'm in agreement. The only thing that stays on that I can visually see is a small dashboard clock and it isn't part of the "entertainment" unit in the middle. Right now, I'm kind of thinking that me running the battery completely dead right before college and lack of use for 2.5 months with that clock running might have been enough to do it. But I shall see I guess.

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  9. Don't get my SIL started on the rip off dealing with modern car problems. So often there are things only a dealership can determine or fix and it infuriates him, especially since he's quite handy in engine/car repair. Gone are the days of getting the part and fixing something yourself.

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    1. I'm not very skilled at doing car diagnostic work to start with but do know how to use a voltmeter. I'll probably still try to do some checking when it returns home for the holidays but I had hoped that the dealership would use some sort of computer that ran cycles on the system to determine a more accurate cause of the problem. That was why I was so disappointed when they sent me a picture of their test with a simple voltmeter.

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  10. I remember a time when I had a dead car battery, bought and installed a new one, then that one died quickly, bought and installed another new one, which also died. The alternator etc. was checked out, everything was fine, bought a third battery - and finally all was good. Sometimes new batteries are duds.

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    1. The previous battery before this one was one of the duds and the first one I've had in my life. Maybe it is a sign of what is to come in that industry,.

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  11. Continue wondering and likely continue worrying. Hopefully this battery will do the job expected of it.

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    1. The uncertainty is certainly the worst part of this whole affair.

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  12. Nothing worse for young adults than a car that doesn't start far away from home..that goes for old folks too:)

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  13. Maybe it is just another sign of growing more "old mannish", but batteries seem less robust than in years past.

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    1. Although I agree, four months old seems to be pushing the boundaries of acceptability a bit.

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